My son walked into the room and handed me the phone. “Dad can’t talk right now; he just poured a bowl of cereal and doesn’t want it to get soggy.” My ex, who hadn’t talked to his son in twelve days, was more concerned about his cereal becoming soggy than a few moments of communication with his child. That is what it is like to co-parent with a narcissist.
In fact, there is very little co-parenting that occurs, most of your time is spent attempting to undo the damage a narcissist can do to his children. The narcissistic parent isn’t capable of “normal” paternal instincts. They view their children as objects meant to fulfill the narcissist’s needs, instead of the other way around.
A couple of years ago I found the list below on a blog that is no longer online. I’ve not read a more appropriate description of how the narcissistic parents. If you are divorced from a narcissist, I suggest you print out The 10 Commandments of the Narcissistic Parent and tape it to your frig. You will be referencing it often!
The Ten Commandments of the Narcissistic Parent:
- I am who I tell you I am.
- You will tell me things I want to hear or you will not be heard.
- You will feel the way I want you to feel or you will be forsaken.
- Love is conditional upon the aforementioned.
- Intimacy is vulnerability, and thus, death.
- There is only one road in and out of here.
- Children are like toys that become useless when they break, which is why they must be replaced with better toys.
- Parents are really one person in two bodies. When they individuate, they die.
- Conversely, siblings are really one person in several bodies. When one individuates, that person shall be hunted down and slaughtered for the greater good.
- Narcissism is a myth.
Let’s go over each briefly. Allow me to add my own two cents to what Jay wrote based on real-life experience.
I am who I tell you I am:
Our children learned this about their father the hard way. I don’t suppose there is an easy way! Their father would say one thing, do another and when they questioned his behavior, he would become highly offended. He thinks of himself as a loving, involved father even though he goes years without contact with his children.
In his mind, he is loving and involved but doesn’t see or talk to his children because they have the audacity to point out to him that “loving and involved” fathers behave in a loving and involved manner. Since his children are people who know he is not who he tells them he is, he chooses to surround himself with people who will believe he is who he tells them he is.
Confusing huh? Imagine being a child and attempting to intellectualize and rationalize such behavior from a parent.
You will tell me things I want to hear, or you will not be heard:
Refer to the example above. Our children didn’t tell their father he was a loving and involved parent, so he know refuses to hear anything they have to say. He ignores text messages, doesn’t respond to emails. He is completely out of touch because they failed to tell him what he wanted to hear.
You will feel the way I want you to feel or you will be forsaken:
This is the one that does the most damage. The narcissistic parent places no value on his children’s feelings. When we don’t value other people’s feelings our actions can do irreparable damage to those people. Our son was upset over something his father wrote him in an email. He responded and told his father, “Dad, when you say things like that, it hurts my feelings.”
His father responded and told our son, “I am not responsible for your feelings.” And then he went on to explain to the child just how unreasonable it was for his son to expect him to care about his feelings. You can’t tell a child in one voice, “I love you” and then tell them “If your feelings got hurt it is your fault” in the next and expect that child to not be emotionally damaged.
Love is conditional upon the aforementioned:
Yes, if a child refuses to feel the way the narcissistic parent needs them to feel, love, attention, caring, concern, all will be withheld. The bad news for the narcissist, children eventually adjust and move on.
That old saying, “out of sight, out of mind” works against the narcissist. I can, thankfully say that as adults our children rarely think about or mention their father. When you withdraw your love from someone they will eventually “let go” of their love for you.
Intimacy is vulnerability, and thus, death:
The narcissist alludes to intimacy without becoming fully engaged in intimacy. True intimacy with another person means allowing yourself to become vulnerable, emotionally dependent.
Vulnerability and dependency are the kiss of death to the narcissist. Your child will love the narcissistic parent; the narcissistic parent is only able to love what the child can do for him.
There is only one road in and out of here:
And, it is a bumpy road! The road out is far more difficult to navigate.
Children are like toys that become useless when they break, which is why they must be replaced with better toys:
My ex replaced our children with a step-daughter. She reveres him, she extols his wonderfulness. She is much like his children were before the divorce. She will forever be the recipient of his goodness, until she questions a behavior or, disagrees with a belief. When that happens, she will learn how bumpy that road out can get.
Parents are really one person in two bodies. When they individuate, they die:
When my ex and I divorced in his mind I was dead. I was no longer an object that was of any use to him so any needs, feelings or desires I had become of no consequence to him. Since I was no longer important to him, he felt our children should view me through his eyes…I was someone who didn’t matter.
He could not co-parent with me; doing so would mean acknowledging me as an individual outside himself. To him I am not an autonomous human being, I’m something he tired of and discarded. The fact that our children love me and refused to also abandon their relationship with me plays an important role in his inability to continue to have a relationship with them.
Conversely, siblings are really one person in several bodies. When one individuates, that person shall be hunted down and slaughtered for the greater good:
When we divorced our children were 14 and 7 years old. The older child was quick to call his father out for hurtful behavior. The younger child made excuses and did whatever he could to keep his father happy. All the younger child cared about was spending time with his Dad. Due to that he detached himself from the emotional pain and focused on pleasing his father.
Our older child individuated, became separate from his brother and had to be done away with emotionally. Our older son is now 33 years old. His father has rarely acknowledged him since the divorce. He came to his high school graduation after 4 years of never attending a parent/teacher meeting, extracurricular activity, regular visitation and refusing to enter into counseling. That is the only time since our divorce that he has shown interest in our older child.
His child was “hunted down” and “slaughtered” emotionally.
Narcissism is a myth:
I believe that a narcissist knows they are different. They realize they are unable to form normal emotional attachments with others. Admitting to that difference would mean becoming vulnerable to the opinions of others. It is for that reason that most narcissists will deny their disorder.
The narcissist is awesome, just ask him. Awesome people don’t have personality disorders dontcha know? For the narcissist, any relationship problems are about YOU, certainly not about them and their awesome selves.
I tell clients who are co-parenting with a narcissist to keep their expectations low. Don’t expect the narcissist to tackle parenting with the same parental instincts they have.
And, never believe that you can “get through” to the narcissist and hold them accountable. Focus on your parental duties, be diligent in cleaning up the emotional messes the narcissist leaves behind and get your children into therapy. They are going to need it!
Monique says
I spent 22 years with my narcissist and then I filed for divorce. I have 2 emotionally damaged teenage children who are in therapy and have a very limited relationship with their father. This article is spot on. My son suffered much more than my daughter because he is a boy and is physically, emotionally and intellectually more like MY side of the family. The narcissist’s need to identify the child as an extension of himself could not be met, so the child was verbally assaulted into submission. Rule by fear and intimidation kept all of us frozen. 1 1/2 years into our divorce, he only sees the kids when he stops by to pick up the dog. We share custody of the dog. No lie.
nancykay173 says
22 yrs here as well- with 3 kids who were 8, 13 and 18 at time of divorce. I had done 95% of the parenting as a SAHM
since Narcissist Father was checked out emotionally and a severe workaholic who travelled constantly and had several affairs. We also relocated 7 times across the country for his job transfers so life was often chaotic.
He fought me for 2 yrs in court for 50/50 custody- didn’t get it due to his forging our son’s medical records and doc’s signature and turning it into a camp director- then lied about it.
What parenting time he did receive he wasn’t much interested in using after all. Even on Fathers Day he told our
8 yr old son that he had to clean and flip his mattress so he wouldn’t be available!
Now 10 yrs has passed and all 3 see the Reality of Narcissistic Behavior- Kids are Smart!
He is very stingy with them financially and emotionally and approval comes only from following his strict orders rather than recognizing our children’s individual strengths and nurturing those. My middle daughter sticks to me like Glue- and considers me to be her only true parent she can trust with her feelings and dreams.
Scott McMillan says
I notice you help “mums”.. are you aware that female covert narcissists have been left to destroy generations of children?
Not only men are narcissists.. PEOPLE become narcissists.. and we are having an epidemic of narcissism arising since the rise of feminism..
Children are being , and have been alienated from healthy parents for decades and decades through pathogenic parenting and narcissistic abuse tactics. Parental alienation is narcissistic abuse by proxy where the child AND authorities are triangulated to inflict as much trauma to their partners as possible.. creating more narcissists in their children along the way..
And the numbers KNOWN of alienation is at present 150,000,000 childrenxqprldwide and rising on a daily, hourly rate. 80% of the target parents are fathers , men being narcissistically abused and their children are used to do it..
I hope you are not letting YOUR OWN trauma blind you to the true enemy.. narcissism.. narcissism is not a gender it is a personality disorder .. and last time I looked, we ALL have a personality..
Harry ballsac says
In the article she stated women could be narcissistic as well. She said she was only speaking of men in this article. So they are well aware women can be as well. Did you actually read the article?
Cathy Meyer says
Oh, good Lord, get out of here! You come to a site about WOMEN and MOTHERS and have the audacity to become upset because we help those women and mothers. Believe it or not, we don’t have to mention narcissistic women on a site about women dealing with narcissistic MEN. In fact, the idea that you think we should give you/men and your problems equal time is the height of narcissism. What the hell did you expect to find when you came to a site named Divorced Moms? Articles about how horrible some moms are? I think I’ll go over to AskMen.com and give them what for for not publishing articles about how horrible some men are. Take your misogyny somewhere else, it isn’t needed or welcome here. Oh, and those stats you quoted, way off dude, way off.
irena says
AWESOME RESPONSE!
Jacqueline Smith says
Thank You! My Thoughts Exactly.
Not one part of this article said that that ONLY men were narcissist. This so called man is only shinning the light on the fact that Narcissist fail to listen while making everything about themselves constantly invalidating the trauma thats been inflicted on others.
In fact, in the article right before this one it actually stated at the beginning that mothers and women can be Narcissist too. As well as provided a link for that topic. This “Man” should see himself that way if he’s so concerned about the trauma caused by narcissistic abuse.
Of course women and mothers can be Narcissist. I myself was subject to one my entire life, my mother. Who was so unbelievably toxic and each of my siblings were affected by it differently as well as coped different.
I also was married to a MAN who Is a Narcissist and his emotional punching bag for over 12 years with two children. Two children might I add are now suffering tremendously and their ability to have a fulfilled future is hanging in the balance. I have found the strength I needed to confront him. That strength came from the need to protect the mental health of my children’s beautiful minds..
Taking back my identity started with small doses of key facts on all kinds of emotional abuse while giving me the ability to gather understandings in my own life. Strength and Understanding gathered from places JUST LIKE THIS.
This WAS NOT an article for victims of abuse caused by toxic and Narcissistic mothers. Takes your Bias self elsewhere because this is anything but that.
Its an article for people like me all with their own story and trauma. Iam trying so desperately to save my kids while not reacting in anger towards their father or not in ways that dismisses the importance of a fathers role. Which as some could imagine, anger and rage is a very easy place to go to and a natural instinct, Esspecially that of a mother when she feels her kids are in danger. Knowing that only hurts the children involved in any family with that situation is not Narcissist. Trying to find ways of a glimer of hope (other than the 1,000 ways) you’ve already tried to get him to see the pain and maybe he’ll love his children enough to what has been caused and the further devastating effects he could possibly help prevent. With each failed attempt being just as devastating as the last.
Scott, I kindly say this For people like me hanging on by a thread. The last thing any of these WOMEN on here reading this need,
Is your Bias, because even though you made sure to say PEOPLE so many times. Your intent behind it is clear.
So. Scott MacMillan, kindly fuck off and go share you profound knowledge of The Narcissist affecting your life with an article for Men affected by it.
(Or maybe, just maybe its was an Empath who really get under skin.)
Oh and little tip….
Your Narc is showing.